Mango Fortnightly 4th June (late due to being drunk)


Good more blimey, these fortnights (2 weeks for our American cousins) seem to come around pretty quick.

Hotting up on the blog is a bit of a discussion on good girls, bad girls, relationship type things!  For those of you seasoned veterans, and by that I am talking about the ones that have already been burned at some point and can see past the pretty blushing eyelashes of the our wonderful girlfriends.

It’s been said that I maybe tainted, but if that is true, then there is a good reason for that.  I see many, many people come through the bar wanting to talk about their relationships with their tg.  I can’t say I’ve heard them all, but I can say I’ve heard a lot.  And each time a guy has started to tell a tale I say to them ‘if there is a doubt, then there is no doubt’.

First of all.. if you are looking for a good girl, you’ll not find her in a gogo or a bar.  And why is it people who claim to have a good-girl have often found them when they were looking for a bad girl?

Ask yourself if this ‘good girl’ would be with you in your own country?  If you think she wouldn’t and that in your own country the girl would be with a younger, better looking guy, then do you wonder what would happen if she were to meet a younger better looking guy in Thailand?  Well maybe you have money?  So there you have it, the good girl is with you because you have money.  Does that still mean she’s good?

Let me tell you 3 short tales…

A guy I know, and older guy has a young girlfriend.  She’s not exactly a stunner, but nice enough.  He is a more ‘mature’ man and works all over the world but spends a lot of time in Thailand.  He bought her (parents) a house, bought a condo for them to share and even rents a salon for her to keep her busy.  They are in love.  Or so he thinks.  When he is out of town, her pals run the salon and she is out with ‘friends’.  When he is at home thinking she is spending a few days up country with her family, she can be found at Spice or Bossy with male ‘friends’.  He has no idea.  He thinks he is with a good girl.

Another guy – met girl off a dating site.  They got married and he took her home to the land of Australia.  She got bored living the life of luxury and returns to BKK every few  months and WORKS at a bar playing with customers.  She enjoys the life and the excitement.  She has everything she could possibly want – nice house, nice car, nice clothes.  Yet returns to Bangkok every few months and goes S.T for 500-1000bht a time.  The guy thinks he married a good girl.

Last guy, meets a girl who was a friend of another girl he knew.  No money changed hands.  He knew what she did, and as they became ‘friends’ – he offered her a life outside the bar.  Put her through school, give her money for her kids schooling and gave her 60k per month to spend on shoes and handbags.  Surely, if she has all that, she’d be happy. But, if there is a doubt, then there is no doubt.  The guy finds a name/number on her phone and asks who it is.  He is an ‘old friend’ who helped her out before. A kind old man that she never ‘go with’.  No problems then. She’d not lie to him. Or would she?  She has no reason to lie. She can have anything she wants.   The guy then creates a hotmail account with his name and e-mails her.  She responds that she is happy to hear from him.  He says he is in Pattaya for a few nights and wants some loving. Can she meet?  She then tells her bf that her pal is moving condo and she is going to help.  She e-mails the other guy and tells him it’s on!  When she’s almost at Pattaya, her bf calls her and tells her that the e-mail was him.  But it doesn’t matter as she was going to help a pal out. Goodbye.

You may think I just made these up, but actually these are just some of the stories that I know to be true.  The last tale was about me and my ex.

If you want a ‘normal’ relationship with a ‘normal’ girl then you are not going to find her in Nana, Cowboy, Patpong or Pattaya gogos.   If you are twice her age, then there is nothing ‘normal’ about that.  If you are going out dancing, partying, watching the same movies and like the same music then I’d say you have a chance.  At least then she enjoys more than the money you may have to offer.   I’ve yet to hear of a success story.  Yes, it maybe your perfect relationship in that honeymoon period, but it soon passes. I have yet to learn of a good girl with a good guy.  Because lets face it – good guys don’t go to Bangkok.  Why should a good uni girl want to be with a Bangkok bad boy?

If you think the solution is to take her out the country and back to your country, then you better hope you live in a tower and are able to shave her head.   Nature will find a way.

This is the bit where all you guys with ‘good girls’ jump on me now and shout me down.  Don’t bother.  What I am saying is only based on what I see and hear in the bar.  Talking to the girls and talking to customers.  And trust me when I say this.. a staff member will tell her boss more about her private life than she’ll tell you!  Luckily all the old staff are now elsewhere. The staff we have now are purer than the driven snow and are all good girls.

And finally… yes, I am a jaded cynic.  There will be one or two diamonds in the rough.  But they’re hiding from the likes of us!



  • Comings and Goings

Upon my arrival at the Mango I was greeted by a naked young boy in my bed.  Yes, that’s right, YP is back.  And looking at the state of my crib, he has no intention of returning to Mother Penfold for a while.  Not sure what he’s going to do yet, but I do know he intends to hit the gym – so if you’re in need of someone to help you out on your gym activities, then get in touch.  Also, anyone wanting to join us on the Nana tours that I cant take you on (LB’s) then I am sure YP will be more than happy to be a guide!

Welcome back Doctor Bond!  I shall see you in a few days for an Orange Juice and catch up on what you’ve been getting upto in that ungodly part of the day that you call ‘daytime’.

ROLLN is in the house!  He’s been having a quiet one.  And when I say quiet one, there has not been any police shoot-outs, hostage taking, or hotel room destruction.  Actually, If you want to hang out with ROLLN but can’t.  Just play Grand Theft Auto for a few hours.  It’s the same.  But different.

RainMan is in town.  Davo bangerpants is not.  I am fine with that.    RainMan is a larger than life character – a real nice guy.  But shit, he can’t half drink.

Aussie ‘Bruce’ will be back in town also in a few weeks. Advice.. leave your heart at home. It’s not needed here.

Lomeo has left the theatre.  poof!  Come back soon!

Big Gary from New Yoik will be decending on us in a week or so also.  The guy is a monster.



  • Incoming e-mails this week.

Someone asked what it’s like to party with ROLLN.   This is a photo of him as a kid.  Draw your own conclusions!

How YP's dates usually end up....


  • Round up / news gossip

Closing all around is still 2am.   With the low season kicking in, you may find certain bars closing their doors earlier than the 2am.

Seen posters on various toilet walls for a new bar on soi 9. ‘Game’ It’s called.  Although, I find it hard to walk any further than soi 8 these days.

Bossy and the like are packed full of our Muslim brothers at the weekend… best avoid.

Insomnia still the place to be.  According to some street tout last night handing out flyers it is Indi-pop-house-reggae?!!

  • Whats happening in the bar – food specials, parties?

The Big Mango bar is celebrating 4 years on June 9th.  There will be a separate posting on it when I get to the Mango and firm up the details.

Kicking off at 7 for 1 hour….   Heineken & Tiger Pints 30bht!!    From 8pm-9pm, pints will be 40bht

From 9-10 you are going to have to fork out 50bht per pint….  after that, who knows?  I’ll have to ask the lady that runs the place.  She is gonna kick my arse for setting these low prices to begin with.

Various other shot give aways… free food will be available.  Tikka Massala will be there somewhere.

The usual daily specials….

Mondays – Beer Lao 79bht

Tuesdays – Beer Chang 79bht

Wednesdays – Beer Leo – 79bht

Thursdays – Heineken – 89bht

Fridays – San Mig.Light 89bht

Saturday – Tiger Pint Draught 99bht

Sunday – Heineken Pint Draught 99bht

Hamburger  / Cheeseburger   89 / 99bht  (find a better value burger if you can!)

Upstairs at the Mango we have a party room.  Open party nights and any night you want if you have a group.  Just ask… we can supply all your needs!

Pool tables have just been re-covered.  Why not come on down and be one of the first persons to rip, tear and burn them.

Don’t much like the music in the Mango?  Well, apart from taking it up with the complaints department, you can always bring your own!  Newly installed this week is one of the those Apple Express thingys.  Not too sure how it works, but if you have an iPhone, iPad or any other iTunes device, you  an beam your favorite music.  Good idea in theory, until it was commissioned by Doc Bond.  He gave us 30 mins of his fave music.  Thanks.

– forsale.  Airport Express.  Used only once for 30 mins.

Doc Bond showed off his new Mac Book - in white.




* Up coming events (sports)

I am sure there are all kinds of sports on….  Just ask!

Formula One – 10th June – Canadian GP   If Schui or Kimi wins…  free drinks!

Shit load of tennis on – can’t say that it does it for me.


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30 thoughts on “Mango Fortnightly 4th June (late due to being drunk)”

  1. As for good girls; an easy test for devotion is to not give them money.

    If you meet a girl outside the bar don’t introduce money into the relationship. If you meet her in a bar you need to quickly make it clear that if the relationship is to continue, she mustn’t ask for money (because this is not the falang way, nor is it the way of a true buddhist).

    Unfortunately some of them see money as an expression of love, and while you can explain to your girl that giving her money means you’ll question her love, that doesn’t make it easier for her when her friends ask how much she gets (if she is in a “bargirl environment”). Her friends will no doubt tell her that she is stupid, that the falang doesn’t love her and just wants to boom boom for free, etc.

    I have spent most of my time in Thailand with a non-BG that never asked for money (and took care of me like no western girl have) so my experience with BG relationships is limited, but I did recently meet a go go dancer which I fancy.

    I told her I would come back for a holiday with her, but would not pay her. This was hard for her to swallow and I thought the relationship was over, but she called me a few hours after the serious talk to tell me she accepted and wanted to be sure everything was good between us. So while there might not be basis for a long and deep relationship, at least there is a relationship based upon mutual love (and trust).

    The cynics may think she is setting me up for the long con, but ignoring the “my girl is different” rhetoric, it just wouldn’t be rational; alone the money she spends on daily phone calls to my home country (from her cell) must amount to thousands of baht, and the time she will be out of the bar to spend with me is tens of thousands of baht.

    It’s ironic; I make sure the girls understand that love is not measured in money, yet when they spend (or lose) money on me / to be with me, I take that to mean they love me 🙂

    Another somewhat ironic thing; my new girl, the go go dancer, is convinced that my old girlfriend will eventually ask for money, because that is the way of these girls (she tells me). She (the ex) won’t ask for money the first time, maybe not the second time, but the third time, she will start to ask me for money.

  2. “If you meet her in a bar you need to quickly make it clear that if the relationship is to continue, she mustn’t ask for money ”

    Just so I don’t make any mistakes .Do you make this clear before or after you pay the Bar Fine???

  3. Another thing I think is important for a BG relationship is to make it clear that you know what goes on in the bar, and you can cope with hearing about it, but you can’t cope with her lying about it (the latter being the more important here).

    Learning about exactly what she does, what she feels about it, how many suitors she have, who sends her money, how she deals with various proposals (sponsorship, marriage), customers she doesn’t like, etc. will also give you a better feel for where your relationship is in all of this.

    Many will claim you can’t trust anything a BG says, but this has not been my experience. What a BG tells you the first time you meet her in the bar might be closer to what she thinks you want to hear than the actual truth, but if you have advanced to friend, there is really no reason to lie (other than save face or exaggerate to impress).

    The girl mentioned in my previous comment calls me daily and we tend to talk for at least an hour. She does that because she wants to talk about her day, her life, her friends, etc. I doubt she does it to fill me with lies that will eventually result in me sending her money…

    So my point is, if you want to have a “serious” relationship with a BG, remove money from the equation, make sure she understands that lies will destroy the relationship, and do learn (from her) about which other customers/regulars she may have.

  4. @don logan Of course the first day/week it will be a BG/customer relationship.

    But if you think she likes you as more than a customer and want her to be your GF then STOP PAYING! If you don’t, she is still just a BG on a salary and you can’t trust anything she says, nor that she will stay with you when presented with better options.

  5. Excellent …

    I shall heed your advice ..

    Just a bit worried though as last time I stopped paying one she attacked me with a shoe called me a tight twat and threatened to tell the police I was selling drugs!!

    Do you think this was a one off??

  6. @don logan I am afraid you’re too fat, ugly, and/or old to date young beautiful bargirls (without paying).

    My advice was only meant to get that established early on instead of fooling yourself into thinking she enjoys your company.

  7. If you go to a bar full of prostitutes and try to take one out with the intention of saving her and turning her into your loving wife/ girlfriend then you are a cunt ….Regardless of your looks or age.

    CU*T CU*T CU*T CU*T.

  8. Right, don’t go to a bar to find a wife.

    But you may go to a bar to find a lady to accompany you for the night, you may find that one night turns into a week, you may find that the lady claims to love you, and you may start to love her back, and want to spend time only with her on your next visit.

    This is where you need to be rational which means either keep considering her a prostitute and pay her what you think the work she does is worth or, if you think she actually do love you and she can be more than a prostitute, stop treating her like one, i.e. stop paying her!

    The internet is filled with stories about failed BG/falang relationships where the falang was paying his GF — Daywalker’s editorial was about these failed relationships, I am trying to reframe the advice from “you can’t have a relationship with a BG” to “you can’t have a relationship with someone you pay a salary”.

  9. “If you go to a bar full of prostitutes and try to take one out with the intention of saving her and turning her into your loving wife/ girlfriend then you are a cunt” dl

    que the White Knight story that was written on the blog a while back, its something in peoples dna, override it!

  10. @ Working Tourist: funny you’ve described my normal routine! I love to hit the bars, run through and test all my options, find one that fits and then stay put. BUT at no point would I ever not pay her!!!
    I look at it like this, I have a job that pays my bills. I would NOT do my job for free. If a loved one or even good friend needed my expertise I would surely help as best I could. But if helping someone else out costs me my income then now it starts to get a little sticky. Now compound the matter by accepting payment for your services from said loved ones and friends and now it becomes a business relationship of sorts. You see where this going?
    For me I have a long standing policy for helping others, I give what I can and will only accept gifts such as dinner or drink but no cash. But I also don’t take time off from work to help them out, I can’t, that’s how I earn my income…
    If a girl is working in the bar then that’s how she earns her income, period! If she chooses to take a loss to spend time with me shame on me! These girls only have a short time period before the life style gets to them and they start slipping down the rungs and end up where ever old bar girls end up? If she’s giving away her only available skill to earn money then you have to be the better person here and insist on paying her. I personally would loose sleep over this one, but then again I’m fat, ugly and old so this is seldom an issue for me 😉
    Bottom line, you can be great friends with a bar girl for years as I am. But if you bang her, or even pull her away from earning money to hang with you then you should pay her for her time, and at a competitive rate!
    I had situation in recent times that involved a bartender. This was in a bar that did not really cater to the traditional “Barfine” the help, although I’m not sure if it is possible or not. Anyway I talked to owner about this and he said just ask her out on a date and see what happens. I never did since I was having so much fun drinking and whoring and I frequently would take my evenings conquests back to this bar where the keep in question saw first hand what I was all about. I was actually embarrassed to ever propose a date since she knows full well I’m a bigger whore than any of the girls that accompanied me…
    BTW I have tale or two also to share so perhaps I’ll pound one out and see how I’m received?
    @ DW thanks for sharing mate!


  11. DW, great write up and thanks for the warm welcome (sorry again for chatting up your wifey, she has got great tits though 😉 didn’t know), actually got home with money left over, did I borrow of anyone? Nice meeting Rollin and Doc, forgot what I said so hope all good, thanks YP for helping me down the stairs, and up the stairs, owe ya one. cya soon and thanks again.

  12. @Daywalker: Thanks for the Pint and the Whiskey. The WiFi at the Mango is great, if, as in my case, the Hotel LAN didn’t work to connect to the real world (work).
    Hope to make it back before I leave, this time without Laptop and a work set mind.

  13. John Brown… To get to Lolitas (soi 8), you cut through an alley on soi 6.

    I’ve checked all routes… that is the quickest. No soi 9 in sight.

  14. DW, was there for the 1st Anniversary,shame I’ll be missing this one by a few weeks.
    YP snuck in under the cover of darkness I see..
    Keen to catch up with the crowd soon-Spats,are u around??

  15. DW – Nice one on the hotmail trap. What if we start to microchip these girls and have a GPS iPhone app so we know where they are?

    Everyone enjoy the party on the 9th. Be there if I had the money. But had to send it all to my ‘good girl’ to move her into a condo.

  16. Ah yes the good all days. I will be sure to bring a pack of diapers for the party Saturday. Has anyone told Penfold we pissed in his saline solution yet? Ha…

    1. If we knew what that is.. probably we could do that. But we don’t, so NO!

      – Session starting here right now… ROLLN’s crew, RainMan, YP… free bar until 9!

  17. Jim beam black label used be on special at about 1400 bt at times on previous visits-just wondering if such a deal still runs?? YP may remember as the one I poured him sizzled his nasal hairs as he went to dip his tongue into it after a leisurely afternoon at bigdogs with PmmP…

  18. The advantage of meeting you girl in a bar is that you know from the start that she is a money grabbing whore, so there is no downside to your relationship.

    I have always enjoyed relationships based on money; they are much easier to end. Relationships based on emotion are much harder to break up…

    Re soi’s. Soi 7 is closer to soi 9 than it is to soi 8. Go figure.

  19. MSB, sign I read in a filo bar once…’If you want to fall in love, get a puppy dog.’

  20. @DW: there are PLENTY of good girls in the bars, just waiting to be rescued. Heck, you wrote about 2 of them in the Fortnightly! The guy who took the girl outta the bar but couldn’t take the bar outta the girl was the same guy who went all 007 spooky with the shadow email accounts and all.

    It’s easy if you know where to look: right behind the big pile of I-only-see-what-I-want-to-see.

    Speaking of seeing and fortnights, I’ll see you in a fortnight…

  21. So will Penfold be doing the write up about the party?

    What? err… oh. Never mind…

  22. Spot on.

    Could never figure out what makes so many men think a hooker will make a good wife or even GF. You can take a girl out of the bar but you can’t take the bar out of the girl.

    It’s so funny to listen to these ” Oh but my girl is different ” stories. They are all “different”.

    Had this German guy once on a dive trip with a Thai girl in tow. He could not stop telling us how lucky he is to have found this girl who is “different” (Meiner ist anders!).

    I looked at the girl and I would estimate that on her dark skin she wore perhaps Bt 150.000 worth of gold. I wonder where the guy thought she got the money from to buy all that stuff but I guess love is truly blind.

    I always tell prospective ladies that being a GF is not a job, it does not pay a salary. If it feels like a job, then she should just leave.

    I have, would and will pay for sex but I’m not going to pay to have a relationship.
    One has nothing to do with the other and tragedies are the result when that line gets blurred.

  23. Even if your not paying them as a prostitute you are still paying them. All the guys I know who married Thais both whores and so called good girls pay them an allowance basically not to fuck around around for money. For the ugly girls this works for the pretty ones less so. The ex whores are addicted to casual sex and excitement and have the morals of a polecat. The so called good girls were just clubber type whores educated but promiscuous and took their money as freebies etc. They continue to fuck like rabbits behind their husbands backs for money and fun. An incredible amount live double lives with a boyfriend and just leave their broken husband at home usually with a kid as emotional blackmail keeping the marriage together. YOU ALWAYS END UP PAYING FOR A THAI UNLESS THEY ARE TRADITIONAL AND HAVE A FULL TIME JOB AND HIGHLY EDUCATED BUT IF SO THEY WOULDN’T MARRY DOWN TO A FARANG THEY’D MARRY UP TO A CHINESE.

  24. its a bit of a paradox really. the good guys doing the right thing seem to have ladies who do the wrong thing and the good ladies i have read about on here ( attached to a couple of the bloggers)are with men who fuck around at any opportunity. i think certain people of both sexes and cultures get addicted to the excitement and buzz that is on offer in bkk and pattaya like a drug i suppose. sponsored girls, bar or not, are like paris hilton almost useless. they dont earn they money its given to them. i know for sure i would like to sit in a bar drinking all day and perhaps have a fuck or two and if im lucky i will get to go to a nice beach resort for a week or so eat and drink what i want and i still get paid for it.some how i know i will end up doing that with some chick again. and i there are any vacancies for a job with the above criteria let me know. i have to work my ass off 8-9 hrs a day on building sites.

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